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The similarities between marcel DUCHAMP's The Fountain and ai art.

Thinking about the readymades today after listening to the Lonely Palette podcast (liked) and how one of it's interpretations is art without an artist, and I wonder if it's prophetic in the sense that AI art could be described as such. The obvious question of the computer being the artist isn't quite the same because the computer does not possess the skill to create art -- paint, sketch etc. but can quite literally conjure images that have verisimilitude to the original. Moreover, in the anthropocentric context, AI art is pretty much a 'readymade' in a sense, though we do have to feed the generative model certain data for it to work on. And yet, it cannot be called the skill of making the image. Just a thought. It's certainly not perfect or academically sound, really.

@thejoywrite

Dec 15, 2024

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A.I. ART CAN’T TRANSCEND ANYTHING

Ok so forget about the environmental issues (if you say other art forms do damage as well?), forget about the stealing from other artists (it’s true a lot of great art involves theft), forget about it being impersonal (a lot of good art is), forget about what is and isn’t art— here’s why I think maybe you shouldn’t bother with ai image generation:  You’re unlikely to learn or create anything new, you’re just rearranging the internet’s entrails. Making more chaff that’s dead on arrival and fed back into the AI meat grinder, to be torn apart and reassembled by someone else.  Nick Cave has a quote about art being great because we create it by pushing against our limitations, failing in ways and overcoming in others. AI is theoretically limitless, and so there is nothing to push against or transcend.  Conceiving of some combination of images and making it happen is not a very interesting way of making art to begin with (whether you use AI or do it manually). You won’t discover anything in this creation, it’s just pure execution. Art is informed by its process, the creation of it is intrinsic to the thing itself. You have no medium, no physical or conceptual substance to push against— just someone else’s algorithm. At best you are a curator of images, or an illustrator whose products have little utility. Really just a cog in someone else’s increasingly run-of-the-mill machine, making content indistinguishable from the next guy and training an algorithm to make the world a worse place. Can you use AI as an ingredient in a more complex project? Maybe. But you’ll make better, more interesting art without it. Just because something feels inevitable doesn’t mean it’s not a choice

@slowdazzle

2d ago

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inevitable

hear me out on a personal level it seems to be a blessing because it will give creative power to people who aren’t gifted artistically. for example, i used ai to come up with some images based on a story plot i had which i could have never made myself because i simply dont possess that ability. now obviously, one would argue, i could outsource that work to artists and pay them, but the bottom line is this is just a side project i think about from time to time and would not want to hire someone specially for this. the fact that i do have such a tool on my disposal lets me actively engage with such ideas and take them to another level. now, these images are very evidently ai generated, so for the time being it seems ai art and human art can be distinguished, but the exponential rate at which technological is growing, ai art will soon be indiscernible from human art. in a scenario where that does happen, which isn’t far away, i think of ai art just being another form of art. one could argue using prompt to generate specific ai images is a talent too, albeit one of a different kind. but as for human art, it won’t particularly lose it’s value just because an easier counterpart has been developed, but its audience may become smaller and more niche, concentrated in certain communities.- for example, vinyl is celebrated and believed to be the best way to listen to music even in the age of streaming, but only people with certain monetary liberty can purchase vinyl. i fear the same may happen to human art.  there’s a generic rhetoric of ai art not having ‘soul’, however in a recent study more than 75% of people were not able to discern between an abstract painting made by ai and one made by a human.iIf ‘soul’ did truly exist, this number should be a lot lower, ideally zero. we think of ‘soul’ of a painting because we know its human art, but if an unknown work is presented and appears to be human art without us actually knowing whether it is or not, we wont be able to tell the difference, ie the appeal to origin fallacy. however, i do also acknowledge, that the story behind an artwork and the artist is what gives the artwork meaning, not the literal colours or patterns used. which is why I believe that ai art should clearly be labelled as ai art, and that ai art ethics committees should oversee the use of ai art. many other concerns come to mind when I think about the ethical implications of ai art- should the artists whose works are being used to train ai systems be compensated, should there be restrictions or guidelines for ai images of historically sensitive subjects, and who has proprietorship over the ai image? tying back into my first example of my individual experience with human art, it is very clearly on a personal level. the main concern is the role of ai art in public spaces. corporations, ad agencies, publishers, etc will definitely use ai art as a means to save money by not hiring human artists, and that’s fair because they care about volume and aesthetics, not about the context of an artwork (which I think we apply based on our convenience, ill elaborate in a moment). it sure means some artists losing out on money and jobs, but the use of ai will also create more jobs of supervising the ai and training it to output the desired images. It’s essentially just learning new skills which seems like a tangible first for artists because their value is now directly being challenged for the first time in history. it’s happened in almost every industry before, even before the creation of ai. the general public will eat it up, because multinational capitalistic corporations will shove it down our throats, but the people that do care about emotion and context behind real human art won’t let it die. the human art circle will become smaller, but art has always only to a certain section of the population, however for generations to come which grow up surrounded by ai art, the situation seems dire. i think the future of art isn’t human vs ai—it’s whether we still know how to care about who’s speaking, not just what’s being said

@amonynous

3d ago

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learn to scrape the internet

you people seem cool so i try to avoid too much nerd/code/tech talk but here we go anyway. 🤓 one of the most useful skills i have acquired as a coder is the ability to steal things from the internet. there is so much stuff on the web that you ostensibly are supposed to pay for, but with a little coding know-how you can scrape the relevant data, download it to your computer, keep it forever and never pay a dime for it. Or maybe pay for it once but be able to cancel your ongoing subscription to it. I have used this skill to steal / borrow / archive: - workout videos from a paid yoga app - cocktail recipes - food recipes - music - library books - instructional materials - graphical source material for making art Depending on what you’re doing, this can require more or less technical skill, but likely less than you expect. this is also a thing that chatgpt is very good at walking you through, if you ask it for help. it feels especially rewarding to learn a new skill in service of saving yourself money, too. Even if the content in question is free, it’s nice to know you’ll have it for eternity even if a provider goes out of business, and it enables you to search/organize/manage the content however you like (with no ads, paywalls, etc). it’s a useful exercise in digital literacy that demystifies a little bit of the technical world that surrounds us, and it always gives me a thrilling little frisson of “civil disobedience” or at least naughtiness.

@heumann

Apr 28, 2024

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Stubbornly continuing to pronounce a word wrong in your head

i still read hyperbole as “hyper-bowl”

@heumann

Mar 18, 2024

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ios animated stickers

so first of all, if you didnt know, you can press and hold on stuff in a photo on your phone and create "stickers" you can send in imessage. but i just discovered you can press and hold on a "live photo" and get an animated sticker i am going to be so annoying in chats with this feature (I don't think pi.fyi supports gifs/animations so visit link to see example)

@heumann

May 5, 2024