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i’m sort of anti-cancel culture (not in the obnoxious right wing way, in the “maybe we should try talking to people first if they aren’t acting in bad faith” way) and at the same time idk i actually don’t think everything should be enjoyed without critique. it’s actually not bad to offer legitimate concerns or critiques of things people enjoy if the thing is problematic or harmful. sometimes things other people think are fun or funny are actually kinda mean or fucked up and we don’t have to pretend that’s ok
Oct 5, 2024

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I think an even more insidious phenomenon is "call out" culture. I think it's good to engage with people in a spirit of dialogue whenever possible. But not from a position of pressuring them to bend to your will through peer pressure IMO.
Oct 5, 2024
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riv3r in a lot of organizing spaces people say “call in” instead of calling out which i think is a healthy way to be proactive about what we say to way other, and not just point out problematic things loudly without talking impact and intentions (and repair!) thru
Oct 5, 2024
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I think ppl get the conversation of cancel culture and critique mixed up bc yeah you should always have the right to form opinions about artists or art bc that’s literally why art is so deep bc of how much it speaks to social context butttt cancel culture has a mob mentality vibe I feel so it’s the opposite of what it intended. In efforts to prevent insular thinking about art/artist, you just created more insular thinking in the opposite direction. I think it’s more productive to remove the question of whether its okay to stop supporting an artist bc of their harmful character or messaging bc you can do whatever you want. But how we behave on social media platforms and the weird “in group” “out group” dynamics of the cancelling process is seriously Stanford prison experiment adjacent
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imkhushi so yeah I agree with you😭sorry I used so many words to do it
Oct 5, 2024
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imkhushi yeah i feel like with art there’s an element of parasocial / celeb worship! like maybe people shouldn’t get so attached to a stranger that they couldn’t handle that possibility… a faux pas is one thing but when it’s worse and a horrible thing i still don’t know why people are so surprised when a wealthy and/or popular person does something fucked up. i kinda dislike the “ur choice” thing bc like most likely ur $ is going to that person and there’s plenty of creatives out there to explore ! and on the other hand with real everyday people i think as a society we need to be more comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations and with the possibilities of repair/growth (there’s nuance and real exceptions ofc). it’s so anti-community to be unwilling to talk about difficult things
Oct 6, 2024
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marxinista true I didn’t think about the $ support thing that’s def something major
Oct 6, 2024
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ok me…if the people around you are real ones they’ll get it. ik how to have fun and like the occasional mildly unsavory thing but “let people enjoy things” has done a lot of damage to the social fabric…let’s enjoy things critically besties.
Oct 5, 2024
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deardoveswings 100%!! idk why people are so obsessed with mindless consumption
Oct 5, 2024
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marxinista mindless consumption or the other extreme of entirely cancelling something or someone with the with none of the cultural context/nuance of being an imperfect being. not that im one of those “separate the art from the artist” person but there’s a balance to be had!
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deardoveswings omg for sure… i sorta put in my other reply but i feel like when it comes to art there’s a parasocial relationship people have to the creative. i think it‘s vvv sad that so many people see whoever they like as superhuman because when that person eventually makes a mistake (of any size) they’re either profoundly disappointed shocked & heartbroken even at a normal everyday mistake bc they idolized that person, orrrr they’ll completely excuse even the worst of behaviors bc they idolize that person
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and that’s the problem, people sometimes lack the nuance that’s essential to well rounded critical thought and engagement. as an hbo prestige television enjoyer, i love a morally gray or even deplorable character as long as the subject material treats the character with the “don’t condemn OR condone” mentality. the same goes for literature imo. its also largely dependent on the context in which the work is being taught (not so much when it was made bc “it was a different time” usually ends up adding fodder to frustrating arguments). for example, junior year of high school i found it really odd that my white teacher decided to use of mice and men to chastise the use of the n word, to a class of mainly black students. very weird and also not the point of the book (but she got better after this and instilled a lot of good stuff in my brain).
again, not to link this to the arts as a whole, but i feel the separating the art from the artist narrative exacerbates this as well. nothing is wrong with enjoying work from a morally dubious person but i think separating their art from their morals is a weird way of engaging with work. another example: a musician i really loved who was found out to have very off putting (borderline illegal) behavior towards women but from time to time i will play a song for old times sake. however when i listen, oftentimes i realize, yes these ARE the lyrics of a man who does not take rejection well. the work exists in the contexts of the authors morals but you aren’t and don’t need to be waving a flag saying “I CONDONE EVERYTHING IN THIS WORK”.
all in all, a huge key to engaging with classic lit critically is being comfortable with (not sure comfortable is the best term. familiar, maybe?) with gray area and be ready to navigate accordingly.
May 9, 2024
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A brief anecdote to preface this (skip to get straight to the philosophy): Today a team member and I (building a business) met with an expert in his respective field to ask some questions. After a little explanatory back-and-forth, it was clear he had a complete lack of knowledge of our sector, and had only understood the description of our project on a superficial level. Nonetheless, he proceeded to spend most of the time “pushing back”, and therefore was unable to offer much insight that we could use. ———— Critique/judgment without understanding is invalid – period. This is confusing to some critics/would-be critics/people because they conflate the accumulation of knowledge with the skill of understanding. Let’s say you’re a music critic – you know lots of stuff about many kinds of music, many eras, etc. One day something comes along your desk, you pop it on, and it sounds a bit odd. You’ve never heard of the artist before… it sounds vaguely similar to something you know of – sure, let’s compare it to that, I guess. In this moment, you may not realize that you have a blindspot. Maybe you don’t yet understand the cultural or aesthetic movement this piece of music is born from because it doesn’t overlap with your breadth of knowledge (even if it’s very wide). Your prior knowledge may inform your ability to understand, but it doesn’t replace it. A real critic will take the time, as their duty, to understand as best they can before they make any critique. Anyone else isn’t a real critic. This goes for everything and everyone, not just professional or expert criticism. It’s true on an individual level, a social/cultural level, a political level, etc. Now especially, everyone’s a critic – and that’s both great and terrible/terrifying. Criticism/judgment are perfectly valid and useful forms of human expression if and only if you seek to understand beforehand. So, we can think about that from the perspective of giving criticism and, of course, receiving it. Being open to criticism is a massively important quality to develop, but if someone hasn’t made an effort to understand you/your idea, their critiques can go into the trash can. 🚮 ———— 🩵🩵
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where people are afraid to connect in a genuine way for fear of rejection. but also it serves as a more socially acceptable outlet for the impulse to engage in cruelty (especially for women). People often justify this behavior with the rationalization that the target of their ire is morally impure or has committed wrongs against others, or that the ‘snarkers’ are doing a public service as somebody has to knock these people down a peg. I also think people want to be critics but don’t understand the true value of criticism. I do sense a changing tide so here‘s hoping
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