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cosmetic surgery
ok if this were real i would first ban like being a billionaire, puppy mills, etc but i think most people feel the same so those feel too obvious. it is a hot take to some but i really hate plastic surgery for cosmetic purposes. tho i will say i can make an exception for ffs and restorative type surgery after an injury so for one, cosmetic surgery is way more dangerous than media and celebs say it is. for example, 1 in 3000 people die from a BBL !! a cancer-causing type of breast implant was only banned in 2019 ! nose jobs can lead to collapses and deformities! unnecessarily changing your appearance is absolutely not worth risking any of that! but the biggest reason i would ban cosmetic surgery is because it just fuels beauty standards. and the whole thing with ideal body standards is literally just informed by eugenics (racism + ableism) and misogyny. think about nose jobs! many nose types, like hooked or wide noses, are never chosen as the “ideal” nose, you only ever see like 3 exact noses in people who got a nose job. even when you google “aquiline nose” half of the images are plastic surgery before/afters of people who had aquiline noses “fixed” almost all cosmetic surgery is basically done to achieve WASPy beauty standards and i think that’s really fucked up. i would never want to reinforce those ideas for myself or others by conforming to them. i think cosmetic surgery also sends a really toxic message to young people, especially teen girls. i know i always wanted a nose job growing up and i think that’s super fucked up! if you are so so dissatisfied with your appearance that you want to permanently change it, you need therapy not surgery! i am 1000% not a “my body my choice” person when it comes to cosmetic surgery because that “choice” has not occurred in a vacuum, it’s almost always from wanting to conform to conventional beauty standards. you are not immune to norms besides, isn’t it beautiful that people look all kinds of ways? i wish we appreciated that more
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@marxinista
Oct 2, 2024
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@riv3r
I can totally see your point! On one hand the beauty standards of society are putting alot of pressure to look certain ways. But on another hand, I get the sense that many cis people may be trying to achieve a specific gendered manifestation via plastic surgery, without being too aware of the concept of gender. Your critique is totally valid, but I just wanted to add that nuance into the mix. I think a great first start in society would be for people to be more open when they've had plastic surgery. In a similar way to how bodybuilders should be transparent when they dope. Just so people know what's real and what's not.
Oct 3, 2024
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@marxinista
riv3r i agree transparency would be a good start! i understand the idea that plastic surgery could be seen as “gender affirming” for cis people, the main idea behind my argument against cosmetic surgery is that most permanent cosmetic changes to physical appearance are so completely inseparable from beauty standards and gender norms under patriarchy (esp for people affected by misogyny) that we cannot justify them
Oct 3, 2024
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@riv3r
marxinista I guess I just worry that one could easily use that logic to the trans people who seek FFS surgery by extension 😅 Like a trans woman could very much desire an appearance that is influenced by beauty standards under patriarchy.
Oct 3, 2024
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@mouse
Agree and it’s fucked that “choice feminism” (fuelled by marketing companies) told us it’s anti-feminist to say it’s fucked. (also I know not only women get it but it was predominantly told that way).
Oct 2, 2024
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@marxinista
mouse !! 1000%
Oct 3, 2024
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@carolinebreeden
agree x1 million
Oct 2, 2024
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@dotmatrices
you are so obviously correct about this and we need to start saying this more because in my experience this take is still verboten on the streets (even in spaces where you’d assume people would be sensitive to social questions around feminism / beauty standards etc.)
Oct 2, 2024
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@marxinista
dotmatrices oh def! i’ve seen people react really negatively to this idea which is saddening!! choice feminism is definitely a plague in modern feminism. moira donegan has a pretty good quick essay about it here
Oct 3, 2024
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@mossyelfie
AMEN FRIEND 🙏
Oct 2, 2024
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@imkhushi
Wait yeah we get so stuck in context sometimes like imagine when surgery was first invented and it was so dangerous and life or death last resort and telling those ppl that we risk that for like the beauty microtrend of the week it’s so weird the things that seem normal
Oct 2, 2024
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@royallmonarch
from a male perspective, seeing dudes with strong mediterranean noses get them shaved down is heart breaking
Oct 2, 2024
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@marxinista
royallmonarch no literally like omg please don’t ruin your greek god looking side profile
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@taterhole
Completelyyyyyyy agree
Oct 2, 2024
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